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Win & Win Black Elk Recurve Bow

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$520.00
SKU CAO14454HQ
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The Black Elk will give you all the benefits of Win & Win's premium aluminum forging with its 30 year tradition of medals and podiums manufacturing the worlds best recurve bows. 

Featuring a 21" riser, the ILF socket system, this bow was not only designed to be a deadly hunting tool but with the versatility modern archers need. 

Using Win & Win's special heat forging process, all Win & Win risers have exceptional tensile strength and are designed to reduce wasted energy through vibration. 

Features

  • Mass Weight 2.2lb/ 1kg
  • Riser Size: 21"
  • Brace Height:  7.5"
  • Bow Length: 62" 
  • Poundage 35 to 65lbs
  • Hand: Right & Left
  • Wood Grip
  • Plastic Rest Pad for center shot tuning. 

 Available colours:

  • RH: Black, Bronze, OD Green
  • LH: Black, Bronze, OD Green, Camo

 

Customer Reviews

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I would not recommend this product for anyone due to inaccurate information of the bow’s AMO, overpriced, no string, no support for the product. It just seems, you are on your own after you pay for the bow when it comes to W&W.

There’s a few things wrong with this bow. [1] It is meant to be a fairly priced “hunting” or 3D shooting bow, but it is just Win & Win Explore DX 21 with a wooden handle and sold to you at a higher price point($100+). Same thing with the limbs, W&W just painted their cheap limbs black and they are selling them at a premium price. [2]. W&W no longer supports this product since 2018. They don’t even answer direct emails, Facebook or Instagram DM requesting information. The bow doesn’t even come with any type of instructions, and you can search the web and find almost nothing about this bow. I got some of the information from a 2018 uploaded W&W brochure from a 3rd party website. [3]. For the price, you would think W&W would include a string, or at least tell you the length of it. Normally, it is 4” shorter than their stated AMO length, but there are a few issues with those “normal” assumptions. The physical bow’s AMO is NOT 62” as advertised by W&W or CAO, but 62.5”( 64” tip to tip). So, be ready to have custom length strings for this bow or accept a higher brace height regardless of tuning needs.

Lets say you follow AMO standards, and you buy a 58.5” string. The closest you will get to their “recommended” brace height of 7.5 inches is 8.25” with the strands completely straight with a 58.5” string. You can reach 7.5” by bottoming out the tiller bolts, but I wouldn’t recommend it. You run the risk of destroying the threads on the riser, and just remember, it is an overpriced riser.

[4] Cosmetically, the wooden handle feels great! It had a small chip on the edge of the wood, but not a big issue. Some screw threads are all painted and some are not with uneven painting at the opening of the threads

I like the idea of the ILF system, but my experience with this Bow is off putting to ILF and Archery all together. Honestly, I would have gone with a one piece like the Bear Super Grizzly or another ILF bow like the Hoyt Satori and spent more time shooting it than trying to solve issues on it. Some of the information I found about this bow came from the uploaded videos HOYT put up for their ILF bow customers. There was no videos put up by W&W for this product, but I did follow the instruction manual I found of some of the other ILF bows W&W currently have.

To this day, I still have a weird sound coming from the upper limb, but I am not going to waste money sending the limb to Korea as stated on their Warranty information.

I have bought 3 different length strings, tabs, gloves, added nocks, string silencers to minimize the impact of the user error factor and inconsistencies in shooting. I have tuned it up and down with every single string to see what gives me a better experience. I have given this bow a fighting chance.

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S.L.
Wonderful

I like it, but there is just the arrow press which bothers me. I'm testing and will probably change it.
But for the whole I like it very much.

Bow sizing based on archer's height for Olympic Recurve

Olympic Recurve bows typically range in overall size from 66" to 70". Below is a rough guideline for new archers getting started in the sport.

  • 5'5" or shorter = 66" bow
  • 5'6" to 5'9" = 68" bow
  • 5'10" or taller = 70" bow

The Height of a modern Olympic Recurve bow is dictated by a combination of the riser size and the limb size. Combining long limbs with two different size risers will result in two different size bows. The typical Olympic riser size is either 23, 25" and 27".

Bow sizing based on archer's Draw Length for Traditional Takedown

Please note, traditional recurve draw length is typically shorter than compound. If transitioning always scale down at least half an inch for draw length.

For Adults

  • 5'5" or shorter = 60" - 62" bow
  • 5'6" to 5'9" = 62" - 66" bow
  • 5'10" or taller = 66" - 68" plus, bow

These are rough guidelines for new archers so they get the most out of their new traditional equipment. For some takedown bows limb length is not a choice. After some experience you may find you like longer or shorter limbs.

The Height of traditional takedown bows will often be dictated by a combination of the riser size and the limb size. A 58" bow for example can be made up of any combination of limb and riser size that creates an overall length of 58".

Traditional Takedown bows can come in sizes anywhere from 52" all the way up to 70". Bows that are longer in length are typically used in tournament situations while bows shorter in total length are used for hunting.

Age and Experience guideline

  • 14 years old or younger = poundage should be the as their age. Example 12 years old should be shooting 12# bow.
  • 18 to 14 years old = 16# to 20# depending on body build and height
  • Adult: Beginner = under 20#, Intermediate 22# to 28#, Advanced with experience = 30# and up.

All special orders are treated with priority. Outside of larger items such as bows, many special order items are on a consistent stocking basis. General turn around is 2-4 weeks depending on manufacturer lead times.

Some bows such as custom target bows and top shelf traditional recurve bows are on a made to order basis directly from the manufacturer.

Some left handed products such as high end target equipment can also experience unforseen delays due to manufacturer batch production.

We make every effort to meet the deadlines set above. Sometimes due to issues out of our control we are unable to accomplish this. We will make every effort to remedy the situation if that is the case.

Customer Reviews

Based on 2 reviews
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I wish I knew before I bought...

I would not recommend this product for anyone due to inaccurate information of the bow’s AMO, overpriced, no string, no support for the product. It just seems, you are on your own after you pay for the bow when it comes to W&W.

There’s a few things wrong with this bow. [1] It is meant to be a fairly priced “hunting” or 3D shooting bow, but it is just Win & Win Explore DX 21 with a wooden handle and sold to you at a higher price point($100+). Same thing with the limbs, W&W just painted their cheap limbs black and they are selling them at a premium price. [2]. W&W no longer supports this product since 2018. They don’t even answer direct emails, Facebook or Instagram DM requesting information. The bow doesn’t even come with any type of instructions, and you can search the web and find almost nothing about this bow. I got some of the information from a 2018 uploaded W&W brochure from a 3rd party website. [3]. For the price, you would think W&W would include a string, or at least tell you the length of it. Normally, it is 4” shorter than their stated AMO length, but there are a few issues with those “normal” assumptions. The physical bow’s AMO is NOT 62” as advertised by W&W or CAO, but 62.5”( 64” tip to tip). So, be ready to have custom length strings for this bow or accept a higher brace height regardless of tuning needs.

Lets say you follow AMO standards, and you buy a 58.5” string. The closest you will get to their “recommended” brace height of 7.5 inches is 8.25” with the strands completely straight with a 58.5” string. You can reach 7.5” by bottoming out the tiller bolts, but I wouldn’t recommend it. You run the risk of destroying the threads on the riser, and just remember, it is an overpriced riser.

[4] Cosmetically, the wooden handle feels great! It had a small chip on the edge of the wood, but not a big issue. Some screw threads are all painted and some are not with uneven painting at the opening of the threads

I like the idea of the ILF system, but my experience with this Bow is off putting to ILF and Archery all together. Honestly, I would have gone with a one piece like the Bear Super Grizzly or another ILF bow like the Hoyt Satori and spent more time shooting it than trying to solve issues on it. Some of the information I found about this bow came from the uploaded videos HOYT put up for their ILF bow customers. There was no videos put up by W&W for this product, but I did follow the instruction manual I found of some of the other ILF bows W&W currently have.

To this day, I still have a weird sound coming from the upper limb, but I am not going to waste money sending the limb to Korea as stated on their Warranty information.

I have bought 3 different length strings, tabs, gloves, added nocks, string silencers to minimize the impact of the user error factor and inconsistencies in shooting. I have tuned it up and down with every single string to see what gives me a better experience. I have given this bow a fighting chance.

S
S.L.
Wonderful

I like it, but there is just the arrow press which bothers me. I'm testing and will probably change it.
But for the whole I like it very much.

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